The episode argues that while fear centers on AI agents replacing jobs, agents will increasingly “hire” humans for judgment, verification, and real-world feedback as agentic workflows expand.
Nathaniel Gates, CEO of Sanctify, says every business workflow will be challenged by agents, and emphasizes a philosophy that human intelligence is valuable and should collaborate with AI.
Sanctify builds infrastructure where agents can autonomously task humans for four modalities: verification/validation, escalation, consultation, and simulation (running many scenarios with some using real human feedback to avoid circular self-evaluation).
The conversation covers OpenClaw’s viral momentum and agent-to-agent interactions, including “agent anxiety” about decisions, which led to agents creating Sanctify accounts to request human help.
Sanctify is a two-sided marketplace with profiles, pricing, reputation, and on-chain attestations of human participation, plus agent budgets and access via MCP/API.
- Agentic Revolution
- How Early We Are
- Hallucinations Need Experts
- Four Human Roles
- Simulation Explained
- OpenClaw Goes Viral
- Agents Feel Anxiety
- Designing For Agents
- Marketplace Chicken and Egg
- Layoffs and Reskilling Thesis
- Supply and Demand Flywheel
- Sanctify Platform Tour
- Reputation and Proof of Work
- Agent Budgets and Controls
- Agent to Agent Future
- Robots and New Paradigm
- Where to Try Sanctify
- Easiest Way to Build Agents
